I will suggest inclusion of Agastya ,Kashyap, Kundal and Digra in above list. we are all sikh first then we break into castehowever i will say i am a ramgaria or tukkan.and we all get labeled as caste racist >>>>but i tell u one thing >>>>CHAMARS are just as racist when it comes to jaat paat. Kalson family is very reputed family of haryana every body knows the kalson sir name in haryana, pls add the kalson sir name is to sirname list of kalson. Please go and purify yourself, as is expected of you, with cows shit and wash yourself and your mouth with cows urine since you have been contact with chamar website. This is the truth. Saru says. But other peoples eyes they just have a huge ego or think think are better then every individual just because they are a higher caste. What the fuck do you mean illiterate? My grandmom said we belong to a punjab clan. sat guru rabidas jee maharaj and ravaidassia samaj ko meri oor se sat sat naman. Hi kindly remove Klair surname, as Klair has extensive farming history for the last 600-700 years till present day, and all history is evidenced. Whatever, you chammars will never look like us. include, jatt chamar ek dusre ke bhai bhai hai inko alag mat kro, dhania,ranga,johal,dahiya,gahlot,mahandirata,mehndi,muwaal, these all peoples are belong chamar plz add. man is seed woman is earth WHEN made pours ( with air) watered n sun (agni ) from sky after some time WITH 5 TATWAS germination /soul (atman) enters in this unverse in form of plant /bird /annimal who behave in any way of love /hate / abuse /kill UNDER GUNAS-RAJ ,SAT N TAM n according to karmas of past /present again take birth to continue suffering UNLESS LOVE N BHATI. either leave sikhism and carry chamarism on head or understand one thing sikhism is anti casteism ideology . I am sorry as a brahmin that you have to go through this. Dont you think they should be advised rather forced to change their surnames to some other neutral surnames. ..toh inn anpado ki wordings se kya hota hjust kick them off and be happy. 1 powerful caste of world. par now time has changed compete us if u can. It was the name of India before the settling of Aryans. Note: Spread this message as much as possible in your social group or social media so that more and more people can join and cooperate in this socially virtuous work. It has the benefit of three power-saving modalities. If you think yourself superior then remember God has made us equial and Indian Constitution also provide equial fundamental rights to all its nationals. jai gurudev, remove sandhu from the list as soon as possible. It shows the ignorance many young jatts who are devoid of knowledge. Oh bhai jyaada matt uchal apni caste(chakar) ko lekar. SAALE BHNCHOD RAJAN K BCHE AK BAAR SAMNE AA MAI TERI MAA CHOD DU SAALE HAATHON SE HI.BHN KAA TKKA.MAADRCHOD KAHIN KAA.CHUTIYA SAALA. It just proves how literate he is. Lol, JATTTTTTTT YAAAA JATTTTTTTTTTT Marrying a chamar does not mean that she is therefore permitted to post offensive remarks at the chamar community. Well said Mander I salute you. both side grand parents ,parents , brothers ,sister n himself were as such as tought no not all it was becoz he sided with sudras n was against brahminsm . so love all do good .their karma of hate / abuses / feeling bad of others shall return to them only in form OF THEIR bhagya . Im niether Jatt or Chamar but this is sadhopefully one day the Human Race will evolve from such backward thinking. The emancipation of the poor and vulnerable is the single most important problem that needs addressing in the world today, when the weak grow strong, only then will the atrocities and injustices in the world cease. He is deluded again about this false heritage. First one was to satisfy the hunger of body (for food) and second langar was to act as platform for social change. i am confused. i m punia chamar. So, here's a list of things that you, the so-called upper castes, should never say to, or ask, Dalits. Just changing your surname to a Jatt one DOES NOT make it Chamar. Please read the long comment by anonymous above and the various comments by the the illuminated at various sections since you are jatt sikh. You will be enlightened. Jatt & Chamar are best of friends and live side by side, we follow same religion, we have same colour skin and blood lol, we are humans end of the day. . If our people ever spoke of the injustice they suffered, they faced starvation for them and their whole families. born dis way, Tum khali reservation lekar select ho jao.caste certificate main banwa dunga..hai dum. Beta ap ki cast kahan se start hui thi? it will make u comfertable and they too would take it easily after practising. Take care. Humanity before religion, thats where I stand. Instead of working for abolition of castes you people are continuing to firming up caste system. He ruled Kashmir from 855 to 883 CE and built the Avantiswami Temple in Awantipora, Pulwama. Its a shame this has happened, when full respect and highest honour is given to Bhagat Ravidassia Ji from all Sikhs. So yea, say what you want these so many of these belonged to Jatt people originally and no one else. Not too difficult to comprehend is it??? Account No. It is also proposed to get marriages of economically incapacitated marriageable boys and girls of Dalit society with the cooperation of the society. It is surprising that followers of Sikhism feel proud to add their caste to their name. singh is used by hindus also . Better and more honesty I have rarely encountered. but if sum people think that the chamars r lower caste or inferior , then add me to the community and d caste of chamars. Ragbhir Singh you can tell that twat of a Brahmin what us Sikhs think of him. it has nothing to do with one caste.. you can blame the system which didnt work for Dalits but always worked for Indo Aryans who divided them selves in 4 castes and Dalit or SC were never part of it.. they were considered out caste and never considered even Hindus or allowed to enter the temples. Lets respect and flow our Shri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. Another point I notice here is that instead of working for integration of castes this site is just further promoting and firming up casteism . plz, make me clear, ram kumar bhai je ma pani nepal kai hu temi malai friend request pathau na mero facebook ID:nabin_gims@yahoo.com. Add more surname PUNB0008100, charansing argued that beva mataka cant be reused as waterpot n became pm not to face parliament even for a day . And there is some more chamar surname :- Bhatti, Dahiya, Mehra, Chahal, Sohal, Rathi, Ranga, Dhania, Singhania, Bhoriwal. Some of those who are jatt or higher castes seem to think they are superior but as you say they have never even done a farmers/tanners work in their lives. gotam budha father raja sudhodhan was from sakya caste n mother was daughter of koli raja .rajas/ rajputs can be from any caste koli , kunbi, jat, mala, jala ,hindu, mugal n so on when two fight one wins while other looses has to do the job the winner raja wishes as suryavansi raja was in services of kaluram dom/ chandal I dont care about the damn caste system. Did Guru ravidass not talk about Begampura and dreamed of raj where every had food clothing and shelter and where all live together happily. pls add So what can we dofirstly never ever even think you are Chamar (you are less, inferior) Do not get into this trap. Plz add also chahal . The people from my community may be poor but you will find them honest. We are all human beings and there is no caste as such it is just occupation. I have one question in my mind, there are so many caste like virk sidhu sandhu kalsi mehra etc which are also in some other castes, if gotra are same than why the caste are separate? But then the truth will overpower you and will see. We should all stand-up to oppression. It is very unfortunate that people from reserved caste now treat reservation as a trump card and neglect studies. Alot of last names here especially sandhu are not chamar or takhan. Last months analysis of top 100 talented persons in the world: Cambridge University London displayed the list. number proffesionals in THE world . so try to know about your cast ,your clan ,here is nothing wrong in our history ,it is common thing that people say some bad thing about others. there is no bad if Jatt people proud of their caste history. The purpose of books such as Manusmriti, Mahabharta and Ramayan was to keep the low castes oppresses in perpetuity and so that they would never rise again to challenge the Brahmins and the Brahminical system. Nt chamar ALL YOU PPL ARE FUCKED HERE! Aside made by this, the UN48B7000 furthermore delivers complete colors plus deep black colored levels. The rule of law has never applied to our caste and we have subjected to the whim of the higher castes, our women were raped and children abused at the will those above us. Be proud of Sikhi and Guru Granth Sahib Ji. i m not chamar . You and other Human being are what matters rest is all superficial. Dont worry about these Brahmins they are the biggest pussies on the planet, one slap and its a knock out. Ostracism from caste was a powerful tool for a number of reasons, for example breaching caste rules.Thus brahmins who performed ceremonies for shudras, were thrown out of caste into outcastes ie untouchables including chamars. esliye C.O.I ne ek opportunity di lowercaste and OBCs ko ki vo EQUITY maintain kr ske. Soch achhi aur sahi rkhne s samanata ati h. Sahi me samnta chahiye toh wo log jinhone ek bar reservation ka use kr liya h aur kuch ban gye h wo aage reservation ka use na kre. oh realy.agar aap jatt peoples sach mai insaan ho to respect kro har ek castes ki..mariages kro.hatao cast systm ko.. tenu time dasu jatta de putt.fuking bull shit..and u jagdish sharma ur animal.ek time aouga tu brahmin ho k jutte polish karega.. Im Jatt but I dont give a flying f#ck about caste. hi..just wanted to say i really respect your community.i m not from your castebut wants to tell that you all have definitely reached heights in various sectors of lifeyou should be proud of yourselvesdont feel ashamed or hesitatejust FLAUNT your caste as much as the other so called higher caste morons do for no reasongrab all the sectors and make our stupid govt to realise n to remove the caste system n reservations from our nation at the earliestso that the word CASTE doesnt exist at all I am merely pointing out the reasons why. sirf bramhan dikhte he? Some adopted the surnames of their villages such as Gill and Rai, originally Jatt surnames, or close derivatives such as Shergill and Kalirai . Ugly ass dark weaklings who cant fight for shit. after facing extremist hindu,muslims,britishers,etc but we remain so rigid towards our caste.so now no worry to tell our caste because we r our pure form from where our ancestors was thereJAI GURUDEV JAI BHEEM. Its not going to happen. I cant believe in these times illiterate ppl still have a ego issue. It is the great great grand father of Indian religions. This website is propagating these Ravidassias. the caste weakness of hindu gave budhism, jainism, christianity islam, shikhism . R. K. Pruthi suggests this is in the hope that they might in future be considered as Julaha by other communities. Basically we r Jatt nd this List is False. It is also proposed to get marriages of economically incapacitated marriageable boys and girls of Dalit society with the cooperation of the society. I AM BELONG TO CHAMAR AND ALWYAS PROUD OF IT. All they still think of us as lowly creatures born only to work under them. But the truth, which you refusing to accept will eat you mentally, physicall, emotionally and even spiritually. according to past and present time we can see warrior skills and bravery in jatt race . This is our promis. In fact there are quite a few surnames there that arent!! plzzz. Sabne. You should be ashamed of your self for calling yourself a Sharma as you are not worthy of being in a human body with that evil soul of yours. they gave me really hard time and I was in depression and stress and now they are even sending kids to my home to scar me away. 1 powerful caste of world. Science can now verify the truth. they should preserve their culture and past . Please leave your email here I will get him to send you a reply. Let us clarify the facts based on evidence not prejudice and fiction. The shameful thing is that the ravidassia community practice these so called rituals by making idols of Bhagat Ravidas Ji and photos of him wearing a tikha on his forehead. Mehtr Ram, of Churela village in Raigarh district of Chhattisgarh, is a Ramnami, originally a group from the Chamar caste who rejected the caste system and adopted a form of bhakti or a devotional path with Ram at its centre. My mom said keshav is your surname and i search everywhere about this surname . Only jatts think like that which is why are despised by virtually all other sikhs from other castes. I would like to ask them what is there to be proud of being a Chamar when every name associated with Chamars are a matter of hate . Another example is where there was intermarriage breaching marriage rule..Where this took place they were also outcasted and often sought refuge with the outcastes including chamars. No, we are not. You cannot be a Jat and also a sikh , because to call yourself a jat you are edorsing the caste system and by calling yourself as a sikh you are rejecting the caste system. longest constituition is of india .lekin kisko justice milta he? Brahmins are evil and hence why our Sikh bhagats and gurus had nothing to do with people like you. Shri Guru Ravidass Maharaj Ki Jai! Dont suffer in silence, all the support you need is there. Please also add Bhatoa,as it is also a chamar surname. I do agree with the lady that we talk too much about caste on religious events, and would much rather listen to gurbani and keertan on such events, than the ramblings of several community leaders/ politicians on caste. Castes should become irrelevant in this transition. But i respect ravidasia community bcz these days it is progressive . Chavar vansh k chamar hi budhist the . agaey ana he to kya hunaar nhi chahiye sirf jaat k naam se sab k uper baitho? The problem with the jatts, from my experience of dealing with them as friends, is that they are often poorly educated on the subject and dont know that quite a lot of the surnames in the Punjab cut across castes. Well it all depends on how people see themselves as. You are all foreigners in India and do not belong to India. The term chamar is derived from Chanwar/Chawar which is used as a pejorative word for dalits in general. mode just isnt its smartest. But people from the same caste who have already used tge reservation system n become something in their career dont let the seats ro b used by other needy people of their own caste They can let their children use the gen category caste and leave those seats for some needy sc st. Tina Dabi and such people are worse example among that. Achank gir ke mar gayee. Aur dosto me aapko bta du me Batwal community se hu jisko pehchan ki jaruart sayd nhi hai eminient persons of batwal community are as under. Mankinds hunger for greed supresses caste. PLEASE ALSO ADD THOSE SURNAMES OF CHAMAR: 1.Sampla ja gurudev, U can add Phoondpal also. You are the one who is ignorant, backward, with dirty mind and hypocrite. thank u navneet kumar ji we have to strengthen our community by encouraging them. Jalandhar So inform me if you put all due and thn why you not put our surname here .. .. not long back, recent past great jat leader sir chhoturam humbly requested the govt then that floor grinding stone n oxen of jat may not be kept as rahan by the bania lending them money while janta party prime minister desai resigned requesting the president if babu jabjivanram could manage the crisis however ch. You people are moving away from Guru Granth Sahib Ji and following politics, in 21st century still looking for identity, when our gurus made us one and equal. Let no one divide us. Ohhh hattt fudduuu bhanmaroni dea kiu glt bolda sikh jatt bare j jyada e problem a jattan to fr jattan de surname kiu use krde aa saleo soch tuhadi hlle v uthe e aa fuddu people, Chamar bhai ajj ke time main peeche nehi hai bhai baba ambedkar ne likha itihaas koi thakur ya koi bramhan vasya nehi likhne aaya wo chamar hi tha jo lakho par bhari pad gaya dobara mere samaj ko ganda neech mat bolna kyoki main jaanta hu ki jo log jayada ucha dikhate hai wo bade hi ghatiya kisam ke hote hai is liye apni jhuti manuvsdi style ko mat dikhao kameeno, this is nonsense.. all sriptures had made india proud eitherr written by bramhans or any . It was only Muslim rulers who forced Hindus to make things for them from Flesh/skin. You are right Yogendra we should not be calling ourselves as hindus or have any association with hindu religion as we were certainly buddhist in the past a prescription to which even Dr BR Ambedkar subscribed, which is why he advocated the the untouchables to embrace buddhism. Our parents have taught us well lol. Fuck those who think we chamars are inferior.we are the majority of this county. REMOVE THE BHARDWAJ LAST NAME FROM THIS LIST NOW!!! Chopde. y sambuk sudra rishi was killed by cruel rama . 4, 3rd Floor, Dr. Jivraj Mehta Bhavan, Gandhinagar, Gujarat (India). Are you kidding bro ? abbu ap k jatt hi hain in ki izzat kaarna seekho, I proud tu be chamar. We came from a womens womb so did you.Do you have milk in your veins and we have blood. The fallacy of the caste system. They have nothing left and resent the rise of those who worked for them. I am an 3D Artist in New Delhi and Belonging to Rohtak, Haryana. I believe exactly the same- there is no caste. Ill reject the caste system cause I dont believe anyone should be oppressed because of whatever life they were born into when they had no say in it but I wont reject the fact that my ancestory is linked to being a Jatt. Sikh chamar only have Singh & Kaur. Chamaran umbrella caste categoryincludes Chamars, Jatia Chamars, Rehgars, Raigars, Ramdasias, and Ravidassias. i belong to ramdasia caste. You Mr Dhillon and your fellow caste members are the prime culprit who still refusing to accept Guru Nanaks message of Truth yet ironically sikh religion and its centres are controlled, for the wrong reasons, by your people and yet you call yourself sikhs. Now that is what I call deceiving on a grand scale to millions of people. So you should find a girl of your liking irrespective of caste creed region or religion.You are settled in USA but your thinking and mind set is still of remote backward caste infected villager. This is suggestion to Mr. Anand who wanted to add his surname . Ambedkarism represents democracy, secularism, human rights, freedom, liberty, equality, brotherhood of man, antithesis of Brahminism. You will be proud and pleased to read the history of Chamar. some fools think themselves superior to others so go for race another name of caste . Jis kisi ko v jada smsyaa hai chmaaro s to jis wqt ram n pregnant sita ko choda toh ek chmaar n paln poshn kia uska bo the balmik ji.. Okkkk toh.. Dyaaaan s, I proud on my caste i am chamar our cast belong to chawarvansh since 12th century. hamarae caste s belong krtae h. hmnae dunia ko ek dharam dia h.. bhangi jaati apne ko chamar se upar manti h, Can you please tell us where is raju gout jathere.its urgent. Ancient books on Indian culture, religion do not have a mention of the word HINDU. http:/singhstation.net/2020/05/australian-sikhs-demand-probe-into-caste-based-discrimination-amrit-sanchar/, agreed but I do not like you disrespecting dogs, they are more pure than all of us, Jai se bhagwan ne gadhe ko bahut murkh ur saktihin banaya ur jai se sher ko bahut taktwar ur chalak banaya hai ussi prakar bhawan ne chamar ko ashudh caste banaya hai jo upper caste ki seva kar sake bhagwan ne kisi ko equall nahi banaya hai, Bhai tu kon se jaat ka hai aur hai kya jobtere koi sewa karega?? Lode iss me to sab gulut likhi hai Soni, dhaiya , chawwla yay chamar kab t ho gay, Abe chamar khatri surname kyu dal rha is list mein. Who said we all come from sikh they should preserve their culture and past . Please reply l want jathere 1.Sahai, 2.walia in punjab. Chamikla punjabi singer. brahmin is entitled to do job of self akshtriy n vais while marry in all 4 caste , akshtriy do job of self n vais while marry in 3 caste , vais do job of self n marry in 2 caste n sudra do job n marry in 1 caste only . SC. Thus all the farmers or jatts belong to Sudra varna. remove Bhardwaj! U r like my real bro and sis. In Punjab, they are mainly found in Ludhiana, Patiala, Amritsar and Jalandhar cities. Never heard of it. We finally have the right to educate ourselves, lift ourselves out of poverty, speak of the injustices we face and give our future generations the same chances in life that you have. This system does not exist in Europe and as a result people are more free and there is less discrimination. but overall average they considered hard worker, brave and open hearted . Many still practice these backwards traditions to date. : While u neef reservation in jobs nd admissions. Its display quality is far more dazzling, though, with dark levels pls add Sabharwal, Sirohi, hadda.also note i never ever hear that bhardwajs are chamar.so i oppose..i am proud to be chamar and love my country the best.. However, when very low caste sikhs migrated to countries such as the US, Canada and the UK, they thought of it as a chance to start a clean slate where people would not be able to identify their caste. I do not harbour toxic sentiment, i was simply providing the lady with the context and background as to why caste is an important topic for our community. An intelligent man arguing with a fool makes the intelligent man a bigger fool. I dont believe in caste but I try to love everyone. Jai Bhim devadasis ended to be considered dalits, some end up in prostitution. Im a Jatt and its the 1st time I read something that said it how it is Lakhotra gym and fitness centre jallandhar Gore. 3.Chahal What has happened in the past or what is still happening is due to ignorance and lack of humanity and a failure of succesive Indian governments lacking the political will to eradicate caste . in fact none is superior or inferior by birth but deeds make him so . if father is sudra off sprig from brahman woman shall be chandal , from akstreya woman khatri from vaisya woman vaid/teli/gupta such like equivalent caste names are designed in hindu/sanatan/brahman dharma scriptures though chandal is 50% brahman but none agrees to scientific fact even as people has walked on moon but still it is showpiece on some great guyss head . thousands of years due to your society devided into castes.All casts hate other castes. Further more many chamars, who may have been brahmins, were rulers and as they lost their power were also thrown out and outcasted. kaya baat kahi hai saurav bahi hum inko dikha denge, my also royal chamar my name is Honey Nimbhoira, Hey! Ravidass says achuut raj vicharat dukh payao, yeh gath payee humarree quote from Sikh holy book the Guru Granth Sahib. https://www.sikhcastes.com/sikh-caste-names/jat-sikh-subcastes, Free fire ka probanda vansh ji please pick up the phone, https://ravidassia.wordpress.com/we-are-not-sikhs/, https://ravidassia.wordpress.com/#pd_a_2760757, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4ypPI2oR0o. They are found throughout the Indian subcontinent, mainly in the northern states of India and in Pakistan, Bangladesh and Nepal. sidhu gill virk are not sc and also jatt? At that point they curse the brahmins for creating this wretched caste system. Recognize the Lords Light within all, and do not consider social class or status; there are no classes or castes in the world hereafter. Biggest problem with weaker sections is that instead of retaliating they start crying. Wages were always paid in food, barely enough to survive. achieve krde aaa education provide equal platform to all the people. Paramparao ki bajay vivek ko mahtva de. kya mujhe shadi krni chahiye ussy kya. Aur desh aage badhega. 4 Then there are those chamars who have no idea who they are but by default will probably call themselves as hindus even though they may bow unto the Guru Granth Sahib and conduct births, marraiges and deaths though the Granth Sahib. They are jatt Sikh background.They are very rich and all the relatives are also jatt Sikh. I have made many comments on this subject in this website; he is well advised to read them particularly why caste names are shared across caste under anonymous and the Illuminated. DAS , Someone wrote so well on the equality of humans, sharing with chamar brothers . Guru Nanak Dev Ji being a Hindu by birth rejected his religion too.