The Axiom of Regularity, Theological Tag-alongs,Mormonism. Authoring several religious books throughout his time, Smith is best known for the books, '10 Natural Laws of Successful Time and Life Management' and 'What Matters Most.' Hyrum was one of the original creators of the popular Franklin Day Planner. I think he really does run according to what he perceives to be the will of the people (which, in the case of MA and [I believe] the US people as a whole, meant running [and ultimately governing] on a moderate platform). The difference seems to be one of humility and repentance. 4 Son of Joseph Smith Sr. and Lucy Mack. Is it Newts relentless hypocrisy that disgusts Mormons? The ensuing days, leading into the Florida primary, saw a flurry of anti-Newt Facebook updates from my LDS friends. 0:00 1:00 IVINS, Utah Author, businessman, motivational speaker and philanthropist Hyrum W. Smith died Nov. 18 after being diagnosed with terminal cancer in July. Im a person who hasnt committed adultery twice when my spouse was gravely ill. And Im a Mormon. al.). It's clear to me that Smith had a flash of genius that his religious narrative was as good as anything else. I have heard of stuff that has gone on that makes me doubt entirely the whole process of repentance. StillConfused theres a link in the OP about the story of Hyrum Smith, founder of Franklin Planners, and his adultery & trip back to the church. Id wish I could think about him only twice, but Im pretty sure he would haunt my dreams. He loved spending time at his ranch home with his family. I know plenty of Mormons who liked Newt although most of them came of age after Newts meltdown in the 90s. Apparently things happened in the 90s as well as in the 70s. Smith was a member of the Nauvoo City Council. You just say you believe, and you are saved. Are Mormons culturally more critical of serious flaws in leaders than of others? Hyrum Smith Born: 9 February 1800, Tunbridge, Vermont Assistant counselor in the First Presidency: 3 September 1837 (age 37) Second counselor to President Joseph Smith: 7 November 1837 Patriarch to the Church and Assistant President of the Church: 24 January 1841 Died: 27 June 1844 (age 44), Carthage, Illinois Not necessarily. One wonders when political expediency goes to situational ethics. Perhaps. I think the adultery issue is often mishandledI dont agree that disclosure to a husband or wife is a good idea if it was a non-emotional one-off type of affair. He explained his abundance mentality in a 2017 interview: The minute we are able to look into the mirror and honestly say, I have sufficient for my needs, at that point, you are wealthy. Honestly Romneys the best of an uninspired set of candidates. He was then assigned to a nuclear capable Pershing Missile unit in Schwaebisch Gmeund, Germany where he was initially Firing Platoon leader, followed by being the Headquarters & Headquarters Battery Commander. Hyrum Smith (February 9, 1800 - June 27, 1844) was an American religious leader in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, the original church of the Latter Day Saint movement. Its situations like this that lead me to believe that when a crime is commited like molesting your daughter, go to the police first then the Bishop. Joseph Fielding Smith, The Life of Joseph F. Smith (1938), 120. Here is a compilation of what he had learned about it in his life. Perhaps its just a matter of degree. View The Guestbook For Hyrum Wayne Smith of Gunlock, Utah. At least it is in Mormon culture. Between 1831 and 1833, he served proselyting missions to Missouri and Ohio. #14 Anontoday, whatever else Smith is, hes not receiving royalties for his book. Hyrum (12 March 1924 - 23 October 2016) was born and raised on a farm South of Rexburg, Idaho. he's revealed the 116 lost pages as well as the sealed portion, http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1070962/. Hyrum received a limited education, and established himself as a farmer. According to a biography posted on the Franklin Planner website, he served a mission in London for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and, after that, was drafted into the U.S. Army, where he commanded a Pershing missile unit in Germany. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. According to the interviewer "Unlike many of today's . HE MARRIED Ruth Pingree, June 5, 1929, in the Salt Lake LDS Temple. Of course, Mitts inconsistencies over time are troubling to me, too, for other reasons. His sins are not my signs and thus not my business, but what makes me very unhappy about Newt is his blinding rage during a political campaign. Turns out he is My first thought was that he probably would not be LDS any more, having been excommunicated for condoning torture, immoral wars, warmongering, all sorts of violence, and threats of nuclear wars on imagined enemies, and it is unlikely he would have undergone the rigors of the process to become rebaptized. A day he has always remembered. So it was a shock in 1998 when the church excommunicated Hyrum W. Smith. Send to Family. Sickening. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Im one of those independents who voted for Obama in 2008, and Im not thrilled with how that turned out. Its not as much Newts serial adultery when his wives were seriously ill (which is almost rock bottom sick in and of themselves) and the political opportunism described by his second wife (Callista will help me become President.), but his utter lack of remorse and repentance coupled with his dome-sized ego and his (I believe intentional and calculated) focus on manipulating the angry (Tea Party) and scared (evangelicals). It would be better to just work things out privately with the Bishop. It is hard that more than a few religious people find a serial adulterer of ill wives, more normal and acceptable than a Mormon. etc. Smith was a direct descendant of Hyrum Smith, who died in 1844 alongside his brother, Mormon founder Joseph Smith, at the hands of an angry mob at the jail in Carthage, Ill. The narrative has always been that he was Joseph's closest friend and confidante and thus should have been aware of his brother's lies and deceptions. I was alive and well during the 90s and apparently some people have incredibly short memories, or are desperate or both. (Im not sure when) I didnt realize hed written a book about it. I dont think the Newt vote is just about Mormonism. Early life Hyrum was born in Tunbridge, Vermont, the second son of Joseph Smith, Sr. and Lucy Mack Smith. Many Mormons watched in morbid fascination during the South Carolina primary as Evangelicals ultimately rallied around the nearly forgotten corpse of Newt Gingrichs campaign. They were ultimately blessed with six children and 24 grandchildren. On this Wikipedia the language links are at the top of the page across from the article title. I wouldnt vote for Romney either, but I do want people to like him. I admit I really want to believe it is mostly a show on his part and he will betray the right of the Republicans if he wins, but these days I have no idea what to think of him. @26-I would hope the bishop would investigate!, how I have no idea but still. In other words, sans Romney, may Mormons would be excusing Newt on the same kind of Christian grounds that many Evangelicals have.. Because the alternative would be a moderate liberal, aka Beelzebub. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. Eine andere -Site. I read an article about Hyrum Smith, the founder of the Franklin Planner, who publicly confessed to an extramarital affair. Since Evangelicals believe the Bible to be inerrant and unalterable, theyre just left with: Judge not, lest ye be judged. So perhaps we do feel we are entitled to judge others if we believe our judgments are just. Maybe you should contact Gingrichs PAC and see if you can help them spend their $10million they got from the Casino guy, @48Hey, good points, but dont be too hard on the casino guyMittens offered an explicit bet with Perry in one of the debates. or at least to not like him for political reasons instead of his religion. It isnt just that he committed adultery multiple times in despicable circumstances, but add to that his ethic violations (it is rather hard to get censured by congress) and his obvious prevarication around his lobbying compounded with his clear pattern of narcissism it is amazing to me he could be voted dog catcher much less President of the US. At least thats what the linked newsstory says. He was quite upset by Newts behavior during his marriages. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. This overwhelming experience took place at nearly "the same hour that the Carthage mob were shedding the blood of Joseph and Hyrum Smith, near one thousand miles distant," according to his autobiography. Hyrum was one of the original creators of the popular Franklin Day Planner. I also wanted to say Im with still confused on comment #1- in that my personal distaste for Newt Gingrich is unrelated to his extramarital affairs. He is preceded in death by his daughter, Sharwan Smith; 2 granddaughters: Shilo and Abby Shurtliff; sisters: Ruth Silver, Ida Smith, Lynn Partridge; and his parents, Joseph and Ruth Smith. Could be, I just don't know much bad stuff about him. He married Jerusha Barden in November 1826. Hyrum Wayne Smith, American management executive. The best we can say about Romney is that hes better than the rest in a pretty horrible year for candidates. And who has the best hair. Served on the equivalent of the school board, and town council, was very 'sober' and serious compared to Joseph Smith. We all know we all sin, but not feeling remorse, trying to cover it up, or not owning up to the consequences makes us think the sinners should have to payor it is not fair to the rest of us. In 1997 it became the . Hyrum Smith had little education and . I would think more than twice about Newt in pretty much any election, simply because I loathe his candidacy so much. Yes, I think we do (though we probably shouldnt even the righteous judgement clause is for those in a position to judge). It doesnt matter what I live. Books like Miracle of Forgiveness imply that returning to a sin after repentance undoes the original repentance, making the sin even more serious. Theres no one else who can say what I can say. I hope were not all voting for who is more realistically flawed to represent us, I hope we are voting for the best leader to lead us. Judging by the negativity of your post, I think its clear what kind of campaign youd run if you had $20million to spend to get yourself elected as the judgingist negativity detecting commenter evar. BYU's L. Tom Perry Special Collections houses one of the finest collections of documents and manuscripts related to the early history of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day . I don't have a link, but I think those come from Wm. Nonetheless, I stand by my statement that Mormons have a big problem with adultery, and I do think we are dismissive of what we consider incomplete repentance, including other faiths repentance steps. Smith died Monday in Gunlock, Utah, from cancer, according to an announcement Friday by FranklinCovey Co., the company he co-founded. Family members suggest donations be made in Smiths name to the Hyrum and Gail Smith Endowment at Tuacahn. -Is not worthy of respect Heres the thing though, there arent going to be any new candidates. Hyrum Wayne Smith 1943 - 2019 . Hyrum Andrus explains all of this very well, here is a link. Franklin Quest merged with self-help guru Stephen Coveys Covey Leadership Center in 1997, forming FranklinCovey. After his brother Alvin's death, Hyrum assumed a major share of the family economy. Bear in mind that he was in year two of another six-year affair at the time. 67 votes, 11 comments. Is it that he went on the offensive against our guy? The South Carolina primaries closed at 9:00 but Newts marraige will be open all night.. Well see when fall rolls around. In 2004, Smith had written another book, Pain Is Inevitable, Misery Is Optional, in which he discussed his excommunication and his rejoining the church. Hyrum Smith and his father Joseph Smith Sr along with Hyrum's younger brother Samuel were all directly related to Joseph Smith. He is very proud of the impact that the Franklin Day Planner has had on hundreds of thousands of people. He served an LDS mission to Hawaii in 19[20]. [6] As Smith fell to the floor, he exclaimed, "I am a dead man," as he died. #38 Jetboy Yes I would say almost all Mormons who arent voting for Romney probably tend to vote on the other side of the aisle. etc. How can an adulterer be called of God? Hes also responsible for much of the failure of the Contract with America as well as a lot more. I too remember him from the 90s during the Clinton impeachment. Having been formerly married to a philanderer like Newt I wouldnt trust him as far as I could throw him if he will lie and cheat on his multiple wives, Im sure he will lie and cheat on me as President of the U.S. Hyrum Smith is as big a dirtbag as Newt. ), great post. At this stage the best hope for conservatives to get what they want is to get conservatives in the Senate and Congress who will direct Romney as President. by Hyrum W. Smith. Joseph, Hyrum, John Taylor and Willard Richards were held awaiting trial in a jail in Carthage. I find him to be a loose cannon in the political realm. Recipient Public Service award Association Federal Investigators, Washington, 1988. In Newts words: it may make me more normal than somebody who wanders around seeming perfect and maybe not understanding the human condition, and the challenges of life for normal people.. He couldnt function well until it was fixed. In 1838 and 1839, Hyrum, Joseph and three other church leaders shared a jail cell in Liberty, Missouri, while awaiting trial. Guest Bio: Hyrum W. Smith is a distinguished author, speaker, and businessman. Those of us who remember the 90s feel betrayed by him. However it seems to me theres a big difference between writing a book on ones sins and attempting to overcome them and being put back in leadership positions. (Photograph at Church History Library, Salt Lake City.) In 1997, Franklin Quest merged with Stephen R. Covey 's Leadership Center to form Franklin Covey. Hyrum was a member of the Council of Fifty in Nauvoo, Illinois. Share your thoughts and memories with family and friends of Hyrum. Hyrum Smith (February 9, 1800 - June 27, 1844) was the older brother of Joseph Smith, Jr. and a leader in the early Latter Day Saint movement. says that her husband did all this stuff and the bishop doesnt believe her well, if there is no evidence except for one witness who backs off, that is not enough to do anything under the two or three witnesses rule. In a general conference of the Church in October 1831, in Orange, Ohio, Hyrum Smith asked his brother, Joseph, to give details of the BOM translation method. Hyrum W. Smith Hello, sign in trending Best Sellers New Releases Movers & Shakers digital content & devices Prime Video Amazon Music Echo & Alexa Fire Tablets Fire TV Kindle E-readers & Books Audible Books & Originals Amazon Photos Amazon Appstore shop by department Clothing, Shoes, Jewelry & Watches Books Movies, Music & Games Electronics see all She insists she was falsely accused. Apparently he is now dying so good riddance. One question: Hyrum made a reference to Joseph Smith teaching that Enoch held the keys over the ministry of translated personages. Hyrum has served on the board in several different capacities, including Chairman, and was fulfilling a Vice-Chairman role when he passed. . As to the link with polygamy, 80% of Mormons on the latest Pew survey considered polygamy a very serious sin, the worst one of those listed in the survey. Smith was a direct descendant of Hyrum Smith, who died in 1844 alongside his brother, Mormon founder Joseph Smith, at the hands of an angry mob at the jail in Carthage, Ill. similarities and differences between qualitative and quantitative research Shortly after Ida Smith's conversion to the sealed portion, her brother Hyrum asked her if she would talk to LDS apostle Holland, whom she had known since the 1970s, about Nemelka. 2. In a single blog post aimed at lamenting how negative Romney is, you made it clear Romney: People need to hear what I have to say. * Inducted into the Utah Business Hall of Fame, * Utah Governor declared September 27, Tuacahn Day in honor of Hyrum, * U.S. Army Outstanding Civilian Service Medal, * Distinguished Member of the U.S. Army OCS Hall of Fame, * Member of the U.S. Army OCS Hall of Fame, * Member of the Artillery OCS Hall of Fame, * Honor Graduate of Artillery Officer Candidate School. Hyrum Wayne Smith, age 76, of Gunlock, Utah, died surrounded by his family in his home at Eagle Mountain Ranch, on Nov. 18, 2019. 6. In your opinion, why do Mormons dislike Newt. Gender Male Smith, Hyrum Biography 9 Feb. 1800 1 -27 June 1844. Also, consider this: All three *witnesses* were eventually excommunicated from the Mormon church. She was a graduate of Dixie State College. The Church, the Investment Advisor, and theSEC, Inside the UK's Mormon missionary bootcamp - BBC, Former mayor, LDS bishop gets prison for child sex abuse - Salt Lake Tribune, Mormon Church fined over claim it hid $32bn of investments - BBC, Linda King Newell, Feminist Scholar of Mormon History, Dies at 82 - The New York Times, Mormon church leader uses his faith to spread anti-racist principles - NPR. Does it make us less likely to have creepy uncles? I am not going to vote for Romney, but our country is in a better place if people like Romney or Huntsman are the GOP nominees. Do you think Mormons are tougher on adultery than other sects? Do these differences mean that Evangelicals are lighter on (spiritual) crime than Mormons? I believe that Hyrum was never in on the con. As a Mormon, the reason Joseph Smith is so important is because how I interpret his actions sets the tone for my fundamental understanding of morality, so it ties in to how I understand and deal with my father. Somehow the irony of their behavior is lost on them. I am thinking that most who say that are Democrats, but if not then why the antipathy toward the man as voting material? I cant help but think Newt was never taken (by others or himself) off his lofty perch, and humility is requisite to repentance. 2. At the time of his death, Smith was an independent candidate for the Illinois state legislature.[8]. Smith didn't anticipate the Rosetta stone. One example. And great questions. And hes smug. 209; "Question three: What influence can the Adversary have over man in mortality? This thought lessened my respect for him even further. My reasoning for not liking Newt has nothing at all to do with his sex life. He was excommunicated but after several years got his membership back. A member fellow here cheats on his wife, emotionally abuses her, molests his daughter. Maybe so. After four years of pretty harsh (and often over the top) rhetoric against Obama its hardly surprising that the candidate who once claimed to be pro-choice, who created the insurance program Obamacare is modeled on, and who has anything but a deft touch with the regular masses is distrusted. 3. Aside from being bff with Joseph and wearing the funky sunglasses, there's not much there to know. Delusions of grandeur? (Photo courtesy of Tuacahn Center for the Arts) Hyrum W. Smith, the creator of the Franklin Planner and co-founder of FranklinCovey Co., died Monday, Nov. 18, 2019, at the age of 76. Mormons have higher expectations for leaders. michael afton in real life; hunterdon central baseball schedule; drax i have famously large turds gif; serta big and tall office chair model 49734; benjamin allbright wife; carla abellana and tom rodriguez relationship; why do i get goosebumps when my boyfriend touches me; M. Russell Ballard, the current Acting President of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles of the LDS Church, is also a direct descendant of Smith. But I think Republicans really want someone charismatic who can get their message out. Smith used some of his fortune to buy a 22-acre ranch near St. George. I suppose you are right from that perspective. Because of his prominence in the community, this confession cost him dearly, including being excommunicated from his church and financial losses to his business. Ever. He was raised in Honolulu, Hawaii as a consequence of his family moving there. I have lots of sympathy for the moral difficulties involved in keeping ones integrity through these brutal election processes. Welcome to the works of Dr. Hyrum L. Andrus. Hyrum was passionate in his effort to make a positive difference in the world. But the bigger issue for me is his narcissism and the inability to focus on the big pictures and act on his good ideas. Samuel H. Smith and Don Carlos Smith to Hyrum Smith, 13 Oct. 1837, Church Archives. It was a big shock in the Provo area due to the respect people had for Smith as well as his being in leadership positions. Cannot load blog information at this time. Since then he has lived with his family in Honolulu, Portland Oregon, Ventura California, Simi Valley California, Centerville Utah, St. George Utah, with the last 20 years being spent at his beloved Eagle Mountain Ranch in Gunlock, Utah. He retired from the military to attend Brigham Young University where he graduated in 1971 in Business Management. Mitt might be a political opportunist to some degree, but at least I believe he sincerely wants to help and represent those he governs. Gunlock Hyrum Wayne Smith, age 76, of Gunlock, Utah died, surrounded by his family in his home at Eagle Mountain Ranch, on November 18, 2019. Hyrum Wayne SmithIn Loving MemoryHyrum Wayne Smith, 76, died in Gunlock, Utah on November 18, 2019Funeral Dec. 3, 2019 12:00 pm Ivins Stake Center, Visitation Dec. 2, 6:00-8:00pm Tuacahn BallroomRead Santorum has some huge negatives due to his pretty extreme social conservativism. http://www.mormonthink.com/transbomweb.htm. It ranks up there with his self-destructive open mike behavior. The Salt Lake Tribune, Inc. is a 501(c)(3) public charity and contributions are tax I do believe the recent one was, but I admit I havent seen any source documents myself clarifying that. Thoughts? Is Romney the right president for this time? It really does not matter how traumatic these prescribed accomplishments get, people are very capable of enduring quite a lot of pain and suffering in order to maintain the appearance of something, hoodwinking the establishment in thinking they are ready. [12], Media related to Hyrum Smith at Wikimedia Commons. He was the grandson of the sixth president of the LDS Church, Joseph Fielding Smith. I cant say that about Newt and I end up laughing hysterically just at the thought. Marcus, In pink tops and white pants, women celebrate free period products becoming available in Utahs state buildings, Proposal to boost Utah bar licenses gets smaller with another round of cuts by lawmakers, Moab, Park City cry foul as Utah lawmakers target rules for vacation homes, According to a biography posted on the Franklin Planner website, Hyrum and Gail Smith Endowment at Tuacahn. . But I also know good Christian Mormons (not as many of the latter as of the former) so I am hesitant to make a blanket statement. Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment. This is a tension found among the Gospels, with Joseph Smith doing some harmonizing work. Thats the whole point of repentance. Smith's descendants have played significant roles in the history of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. There will be overflow facilities available in the adjacent ward house. #29 Yeah, Thomas, I can see that, unfortunately. St. George, UT 84770 435-673-4221 435 . 1st lieutenant United States Army, 1967-1969. He loved his time in the army as a young man and the relationships he built with his band of brothers OCS classmates. He was martyred with this brother in Carthage, Illinois, in June of 1844. his first wife's sister when her first husband died. He hated when something didnt work, such as computers, phones, media machines, vacuums or appliances. Too much psychological harm without any real payoff. Signed: Christian Whitmer & Hiram Page & Jacob Whitmer & Joseph Smith, Sen. Peter Whitmer, Jun. & Hyrum Smith & John Whitmer & Samuel H. Smith. Do we reject repentance that we consider insufficiently stringent? Mr. Smith was born Jan. 30, 1899, in Salt Lake City, a son of [Ida] Elizabeth Bowman and Hyrum Mack Smith. Lets be honest. Hyrum Smith Ink on paper, Sutcliffe Maudsley, circa 1844. He was the older brother of the movement's founder, Joseph Smith, and was killed with his brother at Carthage Jail where they were being held awaiting trial. Then he fought against Clinton for lying against congress and the American people (its not about the dress people). Well certainly not us Mormons, thats for sure.