This may seem counter-intuitive to getting rid of someone, but the fact is that if you don't answer the door, they are likely to mark you as "not home" and return in the near future. What does it mean to obey the good news about our Lord Jesus? The governing body (especially the young ones and future appointees) will panic when they realise that tinkering (15 mins for old publishers and pioneer requirement shifts) has not done the trick. 3 Read Revelation 16:14,16. Copyright 2023 Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania. Maybe they're use this one after 2034 hope proves false hope once again. (Rev. Pole. View Rude Words. 1879 was the start of The Watchtower and 1999 was 120 years later. (Awake, Oct. 8, 1968). He plainly declared: this generation shall not pass away, till all these things be accomplished (v. 34). Nevertheless, the proclamation will be just another demon-inspired lie. by slimboyfat Can you post the appropriate segment of the French version? Unlike Jews, Sinti and Roma (" Gypsies "), and others persecuted and killed by virtue of their birth, Jehovah's Witnesses had the opportunity to escape . Yep just as they said Moses screwed up too, only they failed to point out that he was condemed to not see the Promised Land. I don't know how it reads in French, but the english version seems to me to be just an illustration - Just as Noah waited a long time for the end, we should be prepared to also wait a long time. A subsequent feature article by the same name followed (pp. If you would, reflect back with me upon the Witnesses article, from the Watchtower issue cited above. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBYGp5gD-oo&feature=related. Was it not founded on the 'immovable' 1914 date? Im not questioning the argument for the presence being some period of time, it is simply that to use these verses (Matthew 24:37-39 and Luke 12:26-28) to definitively do so creates more questions and speculation than it needs to, given all of the other proof texts and reasoning that could be used (to support the parousia being a period of time). (1 John 2:17) Now is therefore the time to do Jehovah's will with a keen sense of urgency.". The Witnesses, however, assign a most strange interpretation to the phrase. You know how to tell when summer is near. *** Watchtower 1983 February 15 p.12 You Can Live Forever in on Earth-But How? ***, Jehovah's Witnesses , in their eagerness for Jesus' second coming, have suggested dates that turned out to be incorrect. watchtower They could say 2051 as they were given the title of a prophet in 1931 thus 120 years of a witness to the world just a NOAH was a preacher of rightiousness??? View Rude Words. (Job 38:22, 23; Ezek. 1975 came and went and the governing body had to deal with the fallout for the coming 5 years until things started to pick up again. 20:17, 22,23) And he may use his angels to slay the wicked. See also our book: {glossSub (Courier Publications,Revelation Jesus Christs Final Message of Hope; Select Studies from the Apocalypse)}. - Genesis 6:17", Page 15, Paragraph 7 "Noah received the warning of the upcoming catastrophe decades in advance and he wisely used the time to prepare for survival.' You will be interested to learn that God has on earth a people, all of whom are prophets , or witnesses for God. some new 'prophet' will need to come forward from among them! The phrase is taken from Jesus' words in the book of Matthew. 71 PICTURE DESCRIPTION: Dramatic events occur around us. (Ezek. After 15 years of dwindling committment levels in first world countries (where the donations come from), I firmly believe the WT leadership is aware of the problem. 5. Nothing is interpreted but the interpretation comes from God and is then published . U.N. Whores! Then I read an interesting thing about the Adventists. (b)Why will this be a dangerous lie? 2. 17. The OT junk about God bringing mass slaughter was just to make the Israelites feel good about themselves and their volcano god. (a)According to 1Thessalonians 5:1-6, what unusual proclamation will world leaders make? Well it turns out that many Adventists also thought of a 120 year tie in with that date and came to the conclusion that the end would come in 1964. Even the Watchtowers Kingdom Interlinear Translation of the Greek Scriptures acknowledges the force of the original text by this rendition of the term apotrepou, and these be turning yourself away from.. While I'm not sure they'll make the same mistake they made before, but I would be willing to put some money on it. 12-18) Noteworthy is the sentence that says: "Rather than trying to decide whether a certain person, family or group of persons . Zoning, tax questions. For one thing, among Witnesses, the generation idea had a lot more credibility than the 1975 chronology. The cover of that particular issue dramatically asked: "Are we . (Isa. And they will not recover until they make a new prediction That is all history you know already, so sorry for going over it again. Answer (1 of 19): Others have already given good answers as to what Armageddon is. alan mcgee gemma interview . Seriously based on the 'overlap' generations definition Armageddon has been pushed back to 2154! HAVE you heard people apply the word Armageddon to a nuclear war or an environmental disaster? Try as they might to dress it up well in talks and the publications, ordinary Witnesses knew in their gut that the society were saying they simply did not know how long the old system might last. (Genesis 15:13; Acts 7:6, 17, 23, 25, 30, 34) Were not Christ's apostles overanxious to see the Kingdom established, not to speak of their complete misunderstanding as to what the Kingdom really is? Five years later, Poul and his wife stopped associating with the Witnesses, which in 1964 resulted in his being interrogated by their Elders and then ostracised from the . but this is the central "seven times" framework which apostate Jehovah's witnesses are now trying to "trample" to buried meaninglessness . The purpose is to encourage honesty and transparency in a religious group that considers itself God's organization on Earth - [] (January 1883, page 425) "Nor would we have our writings reverenced or regarded as infallible." Then, at Armageddon, he will destroy the rest of Satans world, including its political, military, and commercial systems. Photo by 19-20. Armageddon meaning jehovah witness. (Josh. 8 That will be the foretold proclamation of peace and security. Why will world leaders say that? (Daniel 12:4) How should we respond to warnings we have been given? It will NEVER come. (Rev. But, as we know, things all went pear shaped in 1995. He was also laying a foundation for a work that would be completed in our 20th century." Can't they take the middle ground? 8 Footnote: It is Gods spirit that bears witness with that persons spirit that anoints them with the heavenly hope. One elder suggested it might be Iraq, or even the UN. (2 Tim. (Acts 15:16, 17; Rev. cit., p. 31). [Footnotes]Jehovah's Witnesses, in their eagerness for Jesus' second coming, have suggested dates that turned out to be incorrect. Because of this, some have called them false prophets. 13. Barak and the prophetess Deborah thanked Jehovah for their miraculous victory. and the award for longest subject title for a thread goes to What about 1931+120? 16:16. 5:19-21. by xbro Eventually the governing body will stomach the idea of promoting 2034 as the possible date for the end (120 years from 1914 - 'just as the days of Noah will the days of the son of man be.'). They will make more and more grave statements about the end being near, but these won't do the trick either because they will contain nothing specific. And, since Luke included both Noah and Lot in his discussion, we would now have to calculate the time that Lot was in Sodom and figure this into our calculations, and I have been unable to find any reference to that time period anywhere. Even so, we can endure with joy. This organization has all the earmarks of just being run by men acting on their own decisions concerning doctrine & policy. Copyright 2001-2015 Jehovah's Witness Discussion Forum | JW.Org Community Information. 1. 1:2-4) A key is to persevere in heartfelt prayer. Just think what that meant for those then living! We must, therefore, insist that the Scriptures do not teach that Armageddon is a carnal conflict that is a precursor to the end of earths history. when would they say their 144,000 would come from. Coming up on 2034 there will be a fall back plan developed. ***15 Yes, Jehovah's people have had to revise expectations from time to time. If an organization is to be fully theocratic, it must be directed and controlled altogether by God and by the forces he operates. The Bible says the UN will . The glorious reign of Christ that shall bring blessings to the world will immediately follow. If you found the Watchtower contradicted the Bible which would you believe? Why did things start to pick up again in the 1980s? The 'end' did not come. 12. The torrent of Kishon washed them away.Judg. Amber Scorah writes about exiting the Jehovah's Witnesses in Leaving the Witness. About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features Press Copyright Contact us Creators . Poul Bregninge's parents became Jehovah's Witnesses when he was 2 years old. A former Jehovah's Witness has offered a rare insight into the religious group, describing it as a cult that "tries to control emotions, thought, information and behavior of a person". Actions against the religious group and its individual members spanned the Nazi years 1933 to 1945. Unless we are in touch with this channel of communication that God is using, we will not progress along the road to life, no matter how much Bible reading we do. We can take the prophetic time, and time-and-a-half, apply it to the preaching work done by Noah to come up with a parallel even realized by the inspection. 5 Barak and Deborah ended their song with the words: So let all your enemies perish, OJehovah, but let those who love you be like the sun rising in its glory. (Judg. 7:14) How will we know when that tribulation is about to begin? Your donation gift(s) are very much appreciated and may qualify as a charitable deduction for federal income tax purposes. "it was clearly suggested"? Their organization, being patterned after the first-century Christian congregation, is blessed by Jehovah. The best way to do that is to set a date. (Rev. 11:3; Acts 14:23. (The Time Is At Hand; 1889; 1908 ed. 11 Replies I read the french version of this Watchtower edition and it was clearly suggested that the end might be in 2034 Do you have any comment about it? . It wasn't clearly subjected at all but, as usual, they used their twisted words Tour de Garde du 15 Dcembre 2003 Extraits: " 6 : "Aux jours de No, Jhovah a dclar " Mon esprit n'agira pas envers l'homme indfiniment, puisqu'il est galement chair. Jehovah's Witnesses are a Christian religious sect rooted in the Adventist movement of the late 1800s and early 1900s. It's the absolute best way to scam people I have yet seen. I would seem that things are being revealed at the proper time to encourage the preaching work. Their strength will be in keeping calm and showing trust in Jehovah and his heavenly armies.Isa. To the contrary, Jehovah's faithful witnesses have been progressively brought to an understanding of Jehovah's purposes, which are clearer now than ever before in history . 1-5). http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/61661/1.ashx. Jesus statement helps to correct the wrong idea conveyed in the way some Bible versions mistranslate the word presence. Some translations render it coming, advent, or return, all of which imply a momentary event in time. Even the republics will disappear in the fall of 1920. Had not the society stated it in certain terms (unlike the 1975 date on which they were wishy washy)? Danker, et al., Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature, Chicago: University of Chicago, 2000, p. 191). 10. last days. ^ par. King of the North 1914 to Armageddon; GT Timeline. I also remember the argument about how Adam was created 6000 before 1975 but we didn't know when Eve was created or when they officially sinned. We should have confidence in the channel God is using . 2. for God has on earth today a prophetlike organization , Jehovah's anointed witnesses on earth. The WBTS continued through the 1930s, 1940s, and 1950s, to warn that Armageddon was coming near. I am the new Prophet.I am annointed..DAMMIT. Proof they already started on this road. (The Messenger, Sept. 1940, p. 6), 1968 "True, there have been those in times past who predicted an "end" to the world, even announcing a specific date. 17:3,16) That swift destructionas if in one daywill come as a shock to those who supported her. []. 3. 13 The attack of Gog. Share. Those events occurred over many decades. A generation could be considered 40 years. beliefs. Wherever they are on earth, Gods people will trust in him when the attack is launched (See paragraph13)*. Noah preached 120 years until the time of the flood, which was the time of the end to Noah and his generation . The word generation (genea) refers to the sum total of those born at the same time, expanded to include all those living at a given time and freq[uently] defined in terms of specific characteristics, generation, contemporaries (F.W. LOL. Jehovah is using only one organization today to accomplish his will. In what way will Christs anointed brothers be able to return the kindness shown them? 18 Gods anointed servants will soon be able to return the kindness shown them by those of the other sheep. (John 10:16) How so? A replacement for Freddy is still awaited. http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Oracle/9941/succeed_fail1.html. A financial crisis (hundreds of millions in just U.S., Can, and U.K. alone) could precipitate this shrinkage in an organization already pressed for funds. Jehovah's Witnesses ban comes into force in Russia after appeal fails. Very soon they will be given that opportunity. That's the beauty of religion and superstition, it has no limits. Had not God's organisation been teaching about the 'generation' for decades? The misnamed Jehovahs Witnesses have a long, undistinguished history of setting dates. The fact of the matter is, however, the Watchtower folks concede that Christs application was to the destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans in A.D. 70. Armageddon specifically refers to Mount Megiddo in Israel where some Christians believe the final conflict between good and evil will take place. by ClassickConcept 3. Time will tell. 33:22; Heb. latest 18:7,8. They sang: From heaven the stars fought . Pin On Jehovah S Witnesses On The Move . Songez ce qu'il signifiait : plus que 120 ans et Jhovah allait amener" un dluge d'eau sur la terre, pour ravager de dessous les cieux toute chair dans laquelle la force de vie est en action" - Gense 6:17 7 () Et nous ? Only 120 years more and Jehovah would bring 'the deluge of waters upon the earth to bring to ruin all flesh, Some 90 years have passed since the last days of this system of things began in 1914. Coming? Over the past five years, hundreds of Jehovah's Witnesses have been subjected to raids, arrests and prosecution in Russia. (Acts 1:6) But because expectations have at times been premature and so have not been fulfilled, does this mean that God has somehow changed his purpose? {WT 6}. Remember they are inspired but not directed by the active force. It doesn't have to be either/or. PRIVACY POLICY But Scott Terry, a former Jehovah's Witness for 14 years and author of Cowboys, Armageddon, and The Truth: How a Gay Child Was Saved from Religion, believes that a widespread apathy towards door . Will religious leaders participate? Failed Watchtower date predictions and changed date doctrine of Jehovah's Witnesses, including lesser known ones such as 1799, 1844, 1874, 1878, 1918, 1920 and the 1940's. . Scans of the english article were posted here a while back. 25:31-40. The December 15, 2003 Watchtower article is paralleling Noah's day to our present day. Page 15, Paragraph 9 "Jehovah has kept these warnings in front of his people by means of timely reminders through the spiritual food provided by 'the faithful and discreet slave'". copied from: http://www.jwfiles.com/2034.htm. 16:14) However, in this article, we will also use the term Armageddon to refer to the war that immediately follows the gathering of the kings of the earth. And she has spilled much blood, including the blood of Gods servants. Charles Taze Russell formed the Jehovah's Witnesses. Since his enthronement in 1914 and the 3.5 years it took for the examination to determine who could be called the FDS. This works for the current GB as some of them will be . (b)According to Ezekiel 38:2, 8, 9, what will bring Gog to the symbolic place called Armageddon? | A few victims who can't conform here and there, but "the organization" on the whole is moving fast forward. The Bible helps us to foresee some coming developments. Introduction. friends. Some Dubs believed the year 2000 would not arrive before Armageddon. 2. As I stated earlier about the account in Luke 17:26-28 referring to the occurrence (event) of the end versus the period of time it would seem that clear thinking would prevent us from trying to attach a length of time of any sort to the presence of Jesus Christ based upon the account in Matthew citied in the article. 14 True, some expectations that appeared to be backed up by Bible chronology did not materialize at the anticipated time. The Jehovah's Witnesses believe that saluting flags, including that of the United States, is tantamount to worshipping a graven image. 11:18) To help us understand these points more clearly, let us consider four questions: What is Armageddon? *** Awake! Some of these views involve the length of time it would take for the end to come. 2, p. 98-99, 1889), 1908 "In view of this strong Bible evidence concerning the Times of the Gentiles, we consider it an established truth that the final end of the kingdoms of this world, and the full establishment of the Kingdom of God, will be accomplished at the end of A. D. 16 Whether we have been in the truth for many years or not, to be saved at Armageddon, we must show that we know God and that we obey the good news about our Lord Jesus. (2Thess. I'm the guy for the job! However, there appears to be an opening in these statements for some to do just that. Welcome This website was founded by dedicated, baptized Jehovah's Witnesses. Of special interest are the expressions this generation, and all.. ever made a false prediction of Jesus? And it is precisely because of societys great anxiety in tumultuous times that the Witnesses find such a fertile field for their hysterical, pseudo-prophetic speculations. 6 How will God defeat his enemies at Armageddon? Possibly. The expression this generation (he-genea-aute) is found five times in Matthews Gospel record, and never is it employed in any sense other than that of the generation contemporary with Jesus Christ (cf. Jehovahs Witnesses teaches that Armageddon will start in the year 2034.